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Post by Eric - Washington GM on Jul 3, 2006 11:10:39 GMT -5
Lupul, a non roster player and a few conditional high end picks. I was hoping they'd get more for a present, instead of a future.
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Post by habsgm on Jul 3, 2006 12:39:44 GMT -5
If I were an oil fan, I'd wonder where the heck is Scott Niedermayer in this deal . . . Just the other day I saw Lowe proclaiming how this would be one of the biggest trades the organization has had to make under his leadership because (a) it was player requested and (b) the calibre of that player. He sad that he would not move quickly on this unless it were a peach of a deal for Edmonton.
"TSN-The Anaheim Ducks have traded Joffrey Lupul, top prospect Ladislav Smid, Anaheim's first-round choice in 2007, a conditional first-round pick and Anaheim's second-round pick in 2008 to the Oilers in exchange for Pronger."
It's odd that there was no Dman given in return. It almost looks like Lowe went cheap on this one and was afraid to commit any substantial payroll toward a return on Pronger.
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Post by Bruins GM on Jul 3, 2006 13:05:48 GMT -5
Smid is NHL ready. Oil fans won't have to fret too much about him. :-)
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Post by edmontongm on Jul 3, 2006 13:25:39 GMT -5
I wonder why defensive defencemen have gone so far up and value suddenly...
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Post by habsgm on Jul 3, 2006 13:34:30 GMT -5
Somewhere (not sure exactly) I picked up that more so now than ever it is a defesive game. Despite the higher scoring (which can be attributed mainly to the notable PP increase). Even strength scoring per game has not notably increased. So following that rationale if you can find a solid stay at home guy who can (a) play his game cleanly and (b) has the ability to play big PK mins then that is a 'premiere type' dman.
Some of the teams that have done well do not necessarily have that stud, Carolina and Buffalo jump to mind as defense by committee clubs. Maybe having 7 guys who average 17 minutes or six that average 20 each and stay fresh is a better situation than keeping the stud workhorse on the ice for upwards of 26-28 minutes. Keeping guys in the game and with good legs might be the antidote to free wheeling forwards, a no clutch and grab neutral zone and a dynamic defensive zone coverage approach.
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Post by FincanSJGM on Jul 3, 2006 13:35:22 GMT -5
well I like getting Lupul and Smid. The first will be low and the second will be very low. the conditional first Im guessing will only be if the the 2007 or 2008 being number 30 meaning that the ducks win the cup in the next two seasons.
Im not too pleased with the deal, Id of liked Ryan instead of the picks. I know that is a lot but now we have to face that Niedermayer/Pronger duo 4 times/year. I think Lowe should have asked for more if he was going withing the conference. Id of been more okay if this deal had come from the East. also I think Lowe could have gotten mroe had he waited, I think he talked about holding off and then jumped the gun a bit.
With that said I thik Lupul will fit in well here and hopefully Smid lives up to his potential.
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Post by scruffy on Jul 3, 2006 14:12:23 GMT -5
I really don't understand how NHL teams work these days.. deals just don't have any logic behind them..
Kevin Lowe gets two major thumbs up for that deal... he got a SHITLOAD of great assets for one that didn't even want to play there.
The deal doesn't make sense for the Ducks IMO. They did so well this season, I just don't understand why a GM won't leave the core of his team alone. They just traded a ton of assets for a big salary back on defence.. There were tons of awesome D available this FA market.. why not sign a guy for 6.5M, what Pronger makes. They could have gotten someone like Rob Blake for that kind of money AND developed Smid on the 3rd pairing.
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Post by Bruins GM on Jul 3, 2006 14:49:57 GMT -5
I for one am glad Burke is pulling this shit with Anaheim and not the Canucks.
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Post by FincanSJGM on Jul 3, 2006 15:03:42 GMT -5
I really don't understand how NHL teams work these days.. deals just don't have any logic behind them.. Kevin Lowe gets two major thumbs up for that deal... he got a SHITLOAD of great assets for one that didn't even want to play there. The deal doesn't make sense for the Ducks IMO. They did so well this season, I just don't understand why a GM won't leave the core of his team alone. They just traded a ton of assets for a big salary back on defence.. There were tons of awesome D available this FA market.. why not sign a guy for 6.5M, what Pronger makes. They could have gotten someone like Rob Blake for that kind of money AND developed Smid on the 3rd pairing. first off the fact that Pronger wanted to be dealt is only relevant because that is what made Pronger available, if he didnt want to be he would not have been. It is not relevant in his valuue as he is one of the 3 premier Dmen in the leauge and is the type of guy who rarely if ever becomes available (various reasons also make his value a lot higher than last year). Also there was bound to be several players in the market. Secondly, there is no garantee that other Dmen available wanted to sign in Anaheim. further none available were as good as Pronger. Nieds is already a duck and Lidstrom never hit the market. Redden and Chara may have come close as does Blake but Chara cost way more, Redden never hit the market and it looks like Blake took a bit of a discount to return to LA. Anyone else was far sub-par. Jovo making more than Pronger is absolute crap, but props to Lowe to signing him long term last year for a now cheap seeming contract (so much for media who ripped him at that time). Also yes Anaheim did well but what Pronger brings to the table will far surpasss what Lupul and Smid would have. This was an already good team (one that made me eat my words last season) that might have just been put over the top with the addition of pronger. Moreso than what internal development would have done. When you add that some guys will develop internally then add Pronger, they are a real serious threat.
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Post by coloradogm on Jul 3, 2006 15:05:35 GMT -5
Great deal for the Oilers... Lupul, Smid and possible 2 first rounders and a second rounder. I like it a lot!
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Post by habsgm on Jul 3, 2006 16:03:00 GMT -5
I really don't understand how NHL teams work these days.. deals just don't have any logic behind them.. Kevin Lowe gets two major thumbs up for that deal... he got a SHITLOAD of great assets for one that didn't even want to play there. The deal doesn't make sense for the Ducks IMO. They did so well this season, I just don't understand why a GM won't leave the core of his team alone. They just traded a ton of assets for a big salary back on defence.. There were tons of awesome D available this FA market.. why not sign a guy for 6.5M, what Pronger makes. They could have gotten someone like Rob Blake for that kind of money AND developed Smid on the 3rd pairing. first off the fact that Pronger wanted to be dealt is only relevant because that is what made Pronger available, if he didnt want to be he would not have been. It is not relevant in his valuue as he is one of the 3 premier Dmen in the leauge and is the type of guy who rarely if ever becomes available (various reasons also make his value a lot higher than last year). Also there was bound to be several players in the market. Secondly, there is no garantee that other Dmen available wanted to sign in Anaheim. further none available were as good as Pronger. Nieds is already a duck and Lidstrom never hit the market. Redden and Chara may have come close as does Blake but Chara cost way more, Redden never hit the market and it looks like Blake took a bit of a discount to return to LA. Anyone else was far sub-par. Jovo making more than Pronger is absolute crap, but props to Lowe to signing him long term last year for a now cheap seeming contract (so much for media who ripped him at that time). Also yes Anaheim did well but what Pronger brings to the table will far surpasss what Lupul and Smid would have. This was an already good team (one that made me eat my words last season) that might have just been put over the top with the addition of pronger. Moreso than what internal development would have done. When you add that some guys will develop internally then add Pronger, they are a real serious threat. There's some very good points here. Granted some of the clubs interested in Pronger could sign another high end dman, but Pronger is probably the best out there given that salary (especially when you look at a Chara, Redden, McCabe . . ). Lowe should have been a little more patient with his asset. Perhaps Lowe will use some of that cap space and $$$ from the playoff run. I think the Western conference just gave birth to another powerhouse. Some consistent goaltending and should position the new Ducks of Anaheim above the 100 point plateau. Brian Burke is building a machine out there. When was the last time that a team had two players who could both compete for the Norris play on the same blueline?
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