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Post by habsgm on Jun 25, 2006 18:45:37 GMT -5
Anyone have any thoughts on this one? Would there be a possible fit in a Tampa Bay perhaps or if Rollie doesn't work out, will there be a goalie given in return?
Or course, I'd like to see him in Leaf land, but that is unrealistic. The organization does not have the wherewithal and creativity to accomodate his salary. It's a shame really.
I have no clue where he may be going. I can't imagine that Lowe will let him stay in the Northwest though.
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Post by Nashville Predators on Jun 25, 2006 20:00:32 GMT -5
I wonder if Pittsburgh will make a pitch for him. They have to be at the minimum salary cap and with Crosby, Malkin, (staal?), and other fine young guns perhaps it would be fitting to put Pronger in that situation. I can't stand players who whine and ask for trades. Shut the hell up and pocket your $6M. I'll play naked skeet shooting in Nunuvat for $6M and I suck at Skeet.
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Post by FincanSJGM on Jun 25, 2006 20:57:04 GMT -5
wow, good on ya Ken.
I thought you would be happy as heck about this. Glad to see you have more class than a lot of Oiler haters out there. I dont get it honestly. I hate the flames but wanted to see them be able to keep Iggy. IMO the perfect world is when your rivals are good and you are better. I dont want to see crappy things happen to any team. If I dont like the team that does not mean that the fans do not deserve to have a good team. If they are gonna suck Id rather it be through bad trades and bad drafting, then there is a reason to laugh at them, money or whinny players is a bad reason and I do not laugh at teams for that. I dont like to see it come down to players wanting out.
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Post by FincanSJGM on Jun 25, 2006 20:57:22 GMT -5
oh and my guess is Florida or Philly.
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Post by Eric - Washington GM on Jun 25, 2006 21:00:26 GMT -5
don't know if I really want him here, but I'm sure the offer would be from the penguins something along the lines of: Armstrong, Whitney/Orpik/Welch and maybe a pick. Armstrong played too well with crosby. but then again it would be for Pronger. BUT, if his wife hated EDM, she won't like Pittsburgh anymore. Theres NO WAY he'd come here.
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Post by FincanSJGM on Jun 25, 2006 21:35:46 GMT -5
that would not get it done. I garantee you. lowe is not an idiot and I bet he would rather, as well as the fans, see Pronger have to sit out than not get fair value for him.
ok everybody knew last year St. Louis was going to have to deal one of Prongs, Weight, or Tkachuk. it was similar in the situations pointed towards Pronger. We gave up Brewer, and what were at the time (more so to outsiders) very good D prospects. Pronger is now signed (he wasnt at the time) for 4 MORE YEARS at 6.25 million, a salary very very reasonable for a guy of his calibre (wait until you see what other top 10 Dmen like Redden, Chara and Lidstrom get, and even lessers like McCabe). Evens Nieds was a steal at 6.75 and that is half a million more for what was considered a discount. Pronger had an unbelievable season adn a better run, he has put all injury questions behind him.
given the salary, length of contract, his play this year, and the fact that KLo has become a very smooth GM in the last few years, we will get way more than Brewer and two good prospects. Your deal Eric does not even tough that.
I know I will get ripped here but I would not be shocked to see something like Pitkanen and Carter if Philly is trying to win now. If it game them a legitimate shot which I think it would than it is a good deal for them.
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Post by FincanSJGM on Jun 25, 2006 21:37:15 GMT -5
plus I know Edmonton is not the most appealing destination but damn it kills me how it hurts teams like Edmonton, Pittsburgh, Columbus, Buffalo, Calgary, and Minny when trying to attract players.
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Post by habsgm on Jun 25, 2006 22:16:49 GMT -5
If Lowe manages to keep his hands on Rollie, then I think Edmonton's place as a legitmate playoff club for next season is secure. Cal, for once you are understating your club. Edmonton, given the playoff success this season, should be a very good destination for anyone who is looking for a reasonable shot at Stanley next season.
As for players who don't want to sign for qof lissues: send them packing. That is not the kind of player you want/need on your club despite the talent level. This McCabe thing is driving me. If a fella won't sign a deal that is so clearly in his favour, money, no trade, long term etc with a club that has been loyal to him then he should get a handshake and a see ya later smile. I'd like to see him stick around, be happy and play good hockey. However, crappy things at home lead to crappy things at work and that stuff can spread and pollute your workplace /club. On the Oiler front, I'd rather see Lowe move him promptly and not have a drag out summer or worse a Kirk Muller- Long Island type situation.
ps Eric I think he'd be a great fit in P-burgh, but I think they'd be better off getting a guy in the FA market. They need someone to compliment Gonchar and someone who Whitney can learn from, a guy with some aptitude for defense in the new rule enforcement environment. Also, it doesn't matter who's with Sydney - they'll be good. (Armstrong=Nichols=Brown, right place, right time, right centre!)
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Post by Nashville Predators on Jun 25, 2006 23:42:45 GMT -5
that would not get it done. I garantee you. lowe is not an idiot and I bet he would rather, as well as the fans, see Pronger have to sit out than not get fair value for him. ok everybody knew last year St. Louis was going to have to deal one of Prongs, Weight, or Tkachuk. it was similar in the situations pointed towards Pronger. We gave up Brewer, and what were at the time (more so to outsiders) very good D prospects. Pronger is now signed (he wasnt at the time) for 4 MORE YEARS at 6.25 million, a salary very very reasonable for a guy of his calibre (wait until you see what other top 10 Dmen like Redden, Chara and Lidstrom get, and even lessers like McCabe). Evens Nieds was a steal at 6.75 and that is half a million more for what was considered a discount. Pronger had an unbelievable season adn a better run, he has put all injury questions behind him. given the salary, length of contract, his play this year, and the fact that KLo has become a very smooth GM in the last few years, we will get way more than Brewer and two good prospects. Your deal Eric does not even tough that. I know I will get ripped here but I would not be shocked to see something like Pitkanen and Carter if Philly is trying to win now. If it game them a legitimate shot which I think it would than it is a good deal for them. Philly's problem has been goaltending and injuries up front not so much their defense. But Desjardins is likely well past his due date which leaves not much. I don't see them parting with Pitkanen as they've groomed him too much. I'd think Clarke could move Mike Richards/Kim Johnsson/draft pick
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Post by Bryce - Minny on Jun 26, 2006 20:34:56 GMT -5
Pronger knocked a chick up in Edmonton, hence the "family issues" so now apparently he's got a leave with the wife or its over type home situation.
Oil will sign Redden, and then deal Pronger for whatever needs Lowe wants to address
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Post by FincanSJGM on Jun 27, 2006 1:22:11 GMT -5
thats all rumour though so i wouldnt pass it off as fact. For all we know George may have made it up. I want to know all the facts first, but it is hard not to want to persecute him. If those rumours are true than he deserves no leeway as it all comes down to being his own fault. Man why do we keep losing guys here because they cant keep their dinks in their pants ---> Coffey, Arnott, Comrie, Pronger. Damn guys
I think Redden will stay in Ott, but I also believe that Edmonton is his number 2 choice if they decide to keep Chara and/or trade for Pronger (as they are rumoured to be one of the teams in the hunt and they probably cannot afford to keep both guys especially as Redden will command more than Prongs makes, and can afford Prongs if they ship out some salary this way ie. Havlat).
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Post by Bryce - Minny on Jun 27, 2006 8:23:18 GMT -5
But Redden is no dummy. Its pretty obvious the Oilers are going to make him an offer, he's said in the past how he'd like to play out West one day, and with his family issues the last few years, one would think he'd welcome a chance to come close to home. He knows the Oilers will give him Pronger's money, and then we have one hell of a chip to address our goalie needs.
Janne Niinimaa said it best about Edmonton, something along the lines of, I love Edmonton, you're a rock start there, and have your pick of any girl, or girls each night. ~~~ thats a beauty, that and Marty Brodeur's, Road trips will be funner, when talking about his recent divorce.
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Post by FincanSJGM on Jun 27, 2006 10:06:18 GMT -5
I know he has said he wants to be in Edmonton if he cant be in Ottawa. I just think that he really respects the Ottawa organization. I also think that his recent family problems are why he wants to stay even more. They have been veyr respectful of him, even being veyr understanding and allowing him to miss a couple of playoff games when his mom was at her worst.
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Post by habsgm on Jun 27, 2006 10:45:48 GMT -5
Pronger knocked a chick up in Edmonton, hence the "family issues" so now apparently he's got a leave with the wife or its over type home situation. Not sure if that's true or not, but it is a very simple explanation that everyone can understand. (Understand does not mean condone/excuse in this instance.) I'd think a ticket to Florida might be a nice optioon. I was talking to the f.i.l. last night and he said, Normie might be able to confirm this, that Leafs were looking hard at Pronger. I can't see the GM closing this deal and if he does - congrats to you Oil fans because rest assured there will be a handsome return.
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Post by Bryce - Minny on Jun 27, 2006 12:03:03 GMT -5
Apparently Leaf Nation thinks Kaberle and Steen will get Pronger which is ridiculous, I still think one of Philly-SanJose-Florida matched up best with waht the OIl would want.
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Post by habsgm on Jun 27, 2006 12:26:06 GMT -5
That's what I heard as well. I don't know if that is riduclous, it depends of course what other clubs are offering. The last I saw was that Kabs, Stajan was on the table from Toronto.
It doesn't matter, no matter how great Pronger is or isn't, the Leafs need depth on more depth on D and not necessarily a stud, plus there is a scoring deficit upfront. The money used to pay for Pronger would be better suited spread around elsewhere.
Back to that offer, Kaberle is not the same calibre as Pronger, but he passes just as well, and he can argueably skate with the puck better perhaps. He does eat minutes and play a very respectable game in his own zone. He does lack the physical dimension of Pronger, there's no disputing that. Also, his deal is not so bad given his production and play. Not sure if anyone remembers ice hockey at the Olympics (I've almost got it blanked out from memory) but Kaberle was perhaps the key Czech player at the tourney, he looked as good as if not better than every other Dman in Torino.
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Post by habsgm on Jun 30, 2006 7:16:23 GMT -5
As for players who don't want to sign for qof lissues: send them packing. That is not the kind of player you want/need on your club despite the talent level. This McCabe thing is driving me. If a fella won't sign a deal that is so clearly in his favour, money, no trade, long term etc with a club that has been loyal to him then he should get a handshake and a see ya later smile. I'd like to see him stick around, be happy and play good hockey. However, crappy things at home lead to crappy things at work and that stuff can spread and pollute your workplace or club. It has come to light that the reason for McCabe's reluctance to sign was because qof but had much less to do with money and location as it did family health, ie there was no self serving motivation here on McCabe's part and things dragged because sometime in life must. Hopefully he can stay injury free and contribute at the same level he did last season.
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Post by habsgm on Jul 2, 2006 11:58:23 GMT -5
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Post by Nashville Predators on Jul 2, 2006 12:00:50 GMT -5
SILENCE, WE WILL HAVE NO TALK OF CHRIS PRONGER ON THIS MESSAGEBOARD. IT IS VERBOTEN! CIVIL LIBERTIES BE DAMNED! IT IS FORBIDDEN...
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Post by Eric - Washington GM on Jul 2, 2006 12:05:29 GMT -5
CHRIS PRONGER CHRIS PRONGER CHRIS PRONGER CHRIS PRONGER CHRIS PRONGER CHRIS PRONGER CHRIS PRONGER CHRIS PRONGER CHRIS PRONGER CHRIS PRONGER CHRIS PRONGER CHRIS PRONGER CHRIS PRONGER CHRIS PRONGER CHRIS PRONGER CHRIS PRONGER CHRIS PRONGER CHRIS PRONGER CHRIS PRONGER CHRIS PRONGER
maybe repeating "Willie Mitchell for $14 million" sounds better? nah...
Pronger might go for one of the bigger trades in recent memory, his value is high. Provided, his potential destination didn't spend it all on UFA dmen over the weekend.
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Post by Nashville Predators on Jul 2, 2006 13:13:41 GMT -5
I was alluding to the fact that the messageboard for the Oilers home page has forbidden under the threat of board banishment any user from discussing Pronger trade rumours... Straight from the organizations mouth!
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Post by FincanSJGM on Jul 2, 2006 14:00:58 GMT -5
thats not true. They have forbid talking about the reason why Pronger is asking for a trade due to all the speculation regarding his personal life. More specifically because the local media girl who is being speculated about is threatening to sue the Oilers because people are speculating about her on the messageboard. Personally I think her lawsuit agains the Oilers would have zero merit because it is private individuals speculating about two public figures but they just want to play it safe. The message specifically said that discussing potential trades is fine.
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