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Post by Redwings GM on Feb 4, 2004 22:18:41 GMT -5
Do we not have a rule that states you must dress your backup goalie for x amount of games or minutes? As I look around I see a lot of starters around 70+ games played.
If not I think it's something that needs to be implemented for next year.
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Post by Eric - Washington GM on Feb 4, 2004 22:31:36 GMT -5
There is not a rule for a backup playing a certain amount of minutes or games, but I'd like to see one in place for next season as well.
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Post by FincanSJGM on Feb 5, 2004 0:38:23 GMT -5
Me too, Cause I will finally have a back up with a good rating next year
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Post by Bryce - Minny on Feb 5, 2004 9:47:58 GMT -5
There isn;t now, but next year their will be. A bunch of rule chnages for next year will be released at the end of the regular season
Bryce
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Post by Avs GM on Feb 5, 2004 12:36:14 GMT -5
Well i think Rules are a thing that can really minimalize a GM's freedom to do what he wants. Especially putting a limit on the time that a back-up goalie plays.
I don't the NHL would ever implement something along these line becaue it's out of line. Brodeur is a machine, Belfour is a machine give them the minutes. And who cares about a back up goalie anyways, lol. We don't need this rule if so very minimal requirements at most. NHL rerate league should stay close to NHL rules or else i feel what appeals most to GM's ( the realism ) will just be taken away with un-needed rules.
Avs GM
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Post by Bryce - Minny on Feb 5, 2004 13:52:14 GMT -5
The purpose is so that a team doesnt have a Brodeur and then a Corey Hirsh as a backup and not have to worry. Even in NHL top goalies play a max of 70 games more than likely, requirements would be about 10 FULL games worth of minutes for a backup (600 total minutes). That would leave approximately 72 games for a starter which is about what the absolute top guys play (Brodeur in NHL is on pace for 73).
Bryce
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Post by FincanSJGM on Feb 5, 2004 13:54:58 GMT -5
How realistic is it for 80% of the goalie (yes including mine) play 75+ games when only a very few NHL goalies each year do this? Not only that many are playing 80-82 which is unheard of. For every "machine" in the nhl, there are 10 that cant play game in and game out. It is true that in FHL the back up has such little value. People would rather play a AHL or ECHL level goalie than give up anything significant for a goalie and how realistic is that?
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Post by Nashville Predators on Feb 5, 2004 14:08:08 GMT -5
As I look around the league I see a lot of tired goalies. 95/96/97 CD. You are only hampering your own team.
You wonder with Brodeur being the "horse" that he is at 95CD, are you surprised to see his bloated gaa 3.02 and paltry sv% at .888?
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Post by Bryce - Minny on Feb 5, 2004 14:14:21 GMT -5
Not alot of people realize how the difference between a 99 or OK goalie to a 95-96 CD affects it. But as you point out it is a HUGE reflection of how well they play.
Bryce
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Post by habsgm on Feb 5, 2004 19:04:36 GMT -5
Is a rule necessary? Is it possible to just reduce all goalies endurance rating by a given number of points?
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Post by CrismonCapsGM on Feb 6, 2004 7:22:50 GMT -5
Unfortuantely, goalie CD seems to be a total crapshoot. Some goalies will gain CD back quickly, while others can sit out 4 games in a row and still not get back to OK status. Since there seems to be very little correlation between EN and CD, there pretty much has to be a rule to insure fair backup minutes. I have no problem with this rule if its implemented.
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Post by phoenix on Feb 6, 2004 21:22:42 GMT -5
I don't see the point of introducing a rule like this. I think that we should leave it to the decision of each individual GM. If they want to run a guy into the ground then so be it. If they want to run a pair of goalies then fine. I think it already has been pointed out that the NHL does not have a rule like this and would never introduce a rule like this.
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Post by CrismonCapsGM on Feb 6, 2004 21:27:05 GMT -5
Like I said, the problem is that it's possible to play a goalie for 75+ games and have him NOT run into the ground. Some GMs luck out and have a guy with low EN who just never drops CD, whereas other GMs have a guy with high EN who they can't keep above 98. The sim is just too flawed, and there's often no disadvantage to playing your starter every single game. This is unrealistic, and since it's so random, unfair.
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Post by PensGM on Feb 6, 2004 22:57:30 GMT -5
I will weigh in on this one because I haven't decided which side of the UFA fence to be on yet.
A minimum number of minutes is ridiculous. If you can't stop the sim from pulling your goalie at 5 goals against, then you can't guarantee the number of minutes the back up plays.
Make it a minimum number of starts and that is the best you can do.
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Post by Bryce - Minny on Feb 6, 2004 23:11:29 GMT -5
If a tender makes up some minutes in relief it just helps your cause, 600 minutes is the equivilent of 10 games, which is pretty realistic.
Bryce
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Post by Nashville Predators on Feb 6, 2004 23:29:41 GMT -5
Let's not forgot if you trade your backup and call up another goalie you still get creditted for your old backups minutes. The entire point is to not allow a GM to start his #1 goale for the full 82 game season.
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Post by edmontongm on Feb 7, 2004 1:07:22 GMT -5
I have to agree. You can't tell the sim to stop from pulling the goalie...so I would have to agree that 10 starts (if someone was willing to follow the status of it), is more understandable. Since it is possible for the starter not to allow more than 4 all season, but the backup to allow 5 in all 10 starts.
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Post by Bryce - Minny on Feb 7, 2004 14:30:58 GMT -5
10 starts = 600 full minutes
I havent checked but I would guarantee that every starter has been yanked at least once, so the backup will likely pick up the equivilant of 2 games starters minutes just in mop up duty.
Khabibulin has played in EVERY game for your Oilers this season, not your fault, just taking advantage of the situation, which almost everyone would do. I assume he has started all of them but I'm not 100% sure, yet Weekes has 189 minutes, or over 3 full games of mopup duty it adds up.
600 minutes is a good number and makes the max starts a more realistic, if not top heavy, number.
Bryce
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Post by habsgm on Feb 7, 2004 15:14:57 GMT -5
I understand the rationale - but for the record I'd rather not see this rule. It should be a GM's call whether or not he wants to "run a guy into the ground."
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Post by AndyChicago on Feb 7, 2004 20:24:06 GMT -5
I have to say I'm in favour of the rule as it's also another way to promote activity.
From what I've seen an inactive GM is more likely to leave his starter in for 82 games.
Therefore, a rule like this will penalize an inactive GM (especially one in a playoff race) if he has to start a backup for the final 5 games of the season...
Andy
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Post by AVS GM on Feb 8, 2004 18:46:35 GMT -5
Thinking about it all the 600mins 10 total games is realistic control on to make sure the teams that hate playing the back-up do get them in even if they go 5-5 whoopie. I agree it's a good rule just to make sure goalies don't play more then 72 games. Which is plenty.
AVS GM thx
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Post by PensGM on Feb 11, 2004 13:17:46 GMT -5
I don't understand why it would be a minimum number of minutes as opposed to a minimum number of starts.
If I can't tell the sim to keep my guy in for the whole game, you are punishing GMs because of glitches in the sim.
It sure doesn't make sense to me.
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Post by Bryce - Minny on Feb 11, 2004 15:14:14 GMT -5
For one its alot easier to track, I don't understand how 600 minutes punishes a GM, your backup will get time in relief at least 3 or 4 times per season, if he gets yanked in a game or two of his starts then that'll just even it out. How is this punishing teams?
Bryce
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Post by PensGM on Feb 11, 2004 19:58:40 GMT -5
Very simple, if a GM has a great starter that never gets pulled, and an average backup that regularly gets pulled, it could take an enormous amount of starts to get to a specific number of minutes. If you can't tell the sim that you don't want to take your starter out after 5 goals then you don't have any control over how many minutes the back up plays.
I am just trying to be proactive. If you want to make it 10 appearences, or 10 starts or 15 starts, it doesn't matter to me.
If I have no control over how many minutes the goalie plays as a GM, the league forcing me to play a guy a certain number of minutes dictated by the sim's whim, is a penalty.
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