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Post by B-Hawks on Aug 17, 2010 13:44:47 GMT -5
Opening bid must exceed qualifying offer.
If a GM chooses not to match an offer made on their RFA they will receive compensation based on the following: $400,000 to $599,999 = 5th Round Draft Pick $600,000 to $999,999 = 4th Round Draft Pick $1,000,000 to $1,999,999 = 3rd Round Draft Pick $2,000,000 to $2,999,999 = 2nd Round Draft Pick $3,000,000 to $3,999,999 = 1st Round Draft Pick $4,000,000 to $4,999,999 = 1st & 2nd Round Draft Picks $5,000,000 + = Three 1st Round Draft Picks (One pick MUST be from the current or upcoming draft year)
YOU CANNOT BID ON YOUR OWN RFA
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Post by ianintheam on Aug 17, 2010 14:23:33 GMT -5
How long to GM's have to match the offer? Is it like UFA where they have 48 hours, or is their a longer time period?
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Post by KingsGM on Aug 17, 2010 14:57:43 GMT -5
You might want to list the dollar value of the qualifying offer in each thread, so people know what bid they need to make.
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Post by B-Hawks on Aug 17, 2010 16:20:10 GMT -5
How long to GM's have to match the offer? Is it like UFA where they have 48 hours, or is their a longer time period? 48 hours, yes. Bidding will work the same as UFA.. If a bid goes 48 hours without being outbid, the clock will start on the team who holds the players rights decision to match or not.
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Post by B-Hawks on Aug 17, 2010 16:57:51 GMT -5
You might want to list the dollar value of the qualifying offer in each thread, so people know what bid they need to make. Good call.. done
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Post by CGYFlames GM on Aug 27, 2010 14:26:33 GMT -5
How long to GM's have to match the offer? Is it like UFA where they have 48 hours, or is their a longer time period? 48 hours, yes. Bidding will work the same as UFA.. If a bid goes 48 hours without being outbid, the clock will start on the team who holds the players rights decision to match or not. this rule should have been applied in 2 different scenarios already...Regehr and Grabovski have gone almost 5 complete days without any posting of matching the offer or being compensated...we are all grown-ups here and can read the rules and understand what 48 hours is for a bid to stop bidding and 48 hours to match/recieve compensation for the signing
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Post by CGYFlames GM on Aug 27, 2010 14:29:24 GMT -5
48 hours, yes. Bidding will work the same as UFA.. If a bid goes 48 hours without being outbid, the clock will start on the team who holds the players rights decision to match or not. this rule should have been applied in 2 different scenarios already...Regehr and Grabovski have gone almost 5 complete days without any posting of matching the offer or being compensated...we are all grown-ups here and can read the rules and understand what 48 hours is for a bid to stop bidding and 48 hours to match/recieve compensation for the signing ***CORRECTION***Regehr did get a "matching" offer after 96 hours from the bid...still too late according to the rules
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Post by B-Hawks on Aug 27, 2010 14:39:10 GMT -5
You need to wait for either Bryce or I to post in the thread.. Both of us are quite busy right now and I apologize that it's taken so long to wait. It's going to be 48 hours from the my post.
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Post by CGYFlames GM on Aug 27, 2010 14:47:37 GMT -5
nothing is stated in the directions of RFA signings...our league shouldnt have to be baby-stepped...especially when the commishes are busy...both tampa and myself obviously waited the 48+48 hours...if you let a player go to RFA, you should be responsible for knowing how to tell time and accept compensation or match the offer...they handled it well in the gionta RFA bidding...why not in these 2 cases?
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Post by coloradogm on Aug 27, 2010 15:27:01 GMT -5
I agree with Calgary on this one... Everyone knows the rules. 48 hours no bid followed by 48 hours no match, guy signs with new team... I believe it's always been that way.
If teams have to wait for someone to confirm before the clock starts ticking, they may miss out on other free agent signings because of it.
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Post by leon on Aug 27, 2010 15:35:03 GMT -5
Valid points but Jesse seems to have made a ruling already.....
Maybe you can put a note in the Interactive Rules section (Comments and Bitching?) concerning this....so maybe a proper unambiguous rule/protocol can be established so that this confusion/issue doesn't happen again.
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Post by coloradogm on Aug 27, 2010 15:38:48 GMT -5
From the rules:
"Do NOT rely on the commishes or other GMs to police you, read the rules every year, ask if you don’t know an answer, and take responsibility. I will be cranky enough at this time, don’t piss me off needlessly."
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Post by B-Hawks on Aug 27, 2010 15:57:33 GMT -5
whatever.. it's 48 hours from when I posted.
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Post by B-Hawks on Aug 27, 2010 16:03:28 GMT -5
I guess I should give an actual response..
Norm was obviously waiting for a ruling. He's been active on the board so I think it's fair to say he was waiting for a commish to post the winning bid.
On Grabo.. I know Rod has had some health problems I believe so i'm not going to string him up and make him lose a player because of it without a specific time line set.
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Post by CGYFlames GM on Aug 28, 2010 11:14:36 GMT -5
OK now I really have a bone to pick...I know you all have been busy with this stuff, but it's looking selective...
" Re: Carlo Colaiacovo « Reply #2 on Aug 25, 2010, 1:49am » "
That was the posting for 48 hours advisory for Colaiacovo...at that time, both Regehr and Grabovski 48 hour notices should have been done at the same time...instead Tampa and my team policed our own concerns and correctly bidded on RFA's and waited 48+48 for players we were after
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Post by B-Hawks on Aug 28, 2010 14:46:33 GMT -5
yea they were missed which was an error on my part.. but I'm not changing the ruling on those players
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Post by CGYFlames GM on Aug 30, 2010 12:31:38 GMT -5
Calgary 3rd should be moved not 2nd
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Post by CGYFlames GM on Aug 30, 2010 12:32:11 GMT -5
Calgary 3rd should be moved not 2nd This is in reference to grabovski
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Post by atlantagm on Sept 1, 2010 23:06:05 GMT -5
Sorry, I just noticed this, and since I can't post in the Regehr thread, I'll post here.
But, how was LA able to match Regehr's RFA offer when they're already over the cap by at least $2M? Shouldn't that mean he should have only been able to accept the compensation?
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Post by Tampa Bay on Sept 1, 2010 23:14:45 GMT -5
and missed the 4 day window
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Post by leon on Sept 2, 2010 0:27:49 GMT -5
READ THE INTERACTIVE RULES!! Bryce worked very hard on those so that there won't be so many confusions and misunderstandings....and there is even a comments and bitching section if you have any 'issues' that you may want to bring up....
In the Finances and Salary Cap article, it clearly states: "During the post-season the salary cap is removed altogether."
So my interpretation of the rules is that teams can go over the cap during the offseason, however, when they are over the cap, they are restricted by what they can do.....such as not being able to make FA bids that put them over the cap. I don't believe it says anywhere about how being able to match RFA offer sheets is a restriction while over the cap during the offseason.
It makes sense, especially since this is how it works in the NHL too....
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Post by KingsGM on Sept 2, 2010 5:54:52 GMT -5
Sorry, I just noticed this, and since I can't post in the Regehr thread, I'll post here. But, how was LA able to match Regehr's RFA offer when they're already over the cap by at least $2M? Shouldn't that mean he should have only been able to accept the compensation? I'm only over the cap on the finances page because my rosters aren't set (waiting for them to add Regehr's new contract). I can easily put together a 20-man roster under the cap. I don't plan on rolling 5 goalies on my pro roster, trust me
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Post by atlantagm on Sept 2, 2010 7:32:47 GMT -5
READ THE INTERACTIVE RULES!! Bryce worked very hard on those so that there won't be so many confusions and misunderstandings....and there is even a comments and bitching section if you have any 'issues' that you may want to bring up.... In the Finances and Salary Cap article, it clearly states: "During the post-season the salary cap is removed altogether." So my interpretation of the rules is that teams can go over the cap during the offseason, however, when they are over the cap, they are restricted by what they can do.....such as not being able to make FA bids that put them over the cap. I don't believe it says anywhere about how being able to match RFA offer sheets is a restriction while over the cap during the offseason. It makes sense, especially since this is how it works in the NHL too.... -Teams may NOT exceed the cap when bidding on players. You have your 20 man roster set beforehand, signed a player cannot put you over (regardless if you can then demote someone else to minors).That's the way it's always been here and, I'm not sure if you've been following closely during this UFA period but Gareth was updating all the teams payroll situations the entire time. Also, some bids had to be thrown out since it put a team over the cap. So, no, a team shouldn't be allowed to match a RFA offer if it puts them over the cap. But, it's all a moot point anyway since LA says he can put together a 20 man roster without being over the cap.
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Post by atlantagm on Sept 2, 2010 7:38:18 GMT -5
Sorry, I just noticed this, and since I can't post in the Regehr thread, I'll post here. But, how was LA able to match Regehr's RFA offer when they're already over the cap by at least $2M? Shouldn't that mean he should have only been able to accept the compensation? I'm only over the cap on the finances page because my rosters aren't set (waiting for them to add Regehr's new contract). I can easily put together a 20-man roster under the cap. I don't plan on rolling 5 goalies on my pro roster, trust me Yeah, I saw you have five goalies on the roster but, from my understanding, guys like Theodore and Hedberg couldn't be sent to the farm since you just signed them and they make more than 750k. I'm not too clear on the new rules for UFA since I pretty much stayed clear of all free agents this year. But, if that's the case, wouldn't you still be above the cap with the Regehr signing? Anyways, it was just something I noticed and wanted to get clarification on.
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Post by KingsGM on Sept 2, 2010 8:16:34 GMT -5
Yeah, I saw you have five goalies on the roster but, from my understanding, guys like Theodore and Hedberg couldn't be sent to the farm since you just signed them and they make more than 750k. I'm not too clear on the new rules for UFA since I pretty much stayed clear of all free agents this year. But, if that's the case, wouldn't you still be above the cap with the Regehr signing? Anyways, it was just something I noticed and wanted to get clarification on. When I submitted my 20-man roster prior to UFA, I had about $6.5M in cap room, and that included Regehr at $2.1M. I've spent $5.1M on goalies and then an extra $800K or so to match Regehr, so I'm fine. Lilja is under $700K so he doesn't count, and I had sent down Pascal Leclaire, Ryan Johnson and Freddy Sjostrom, so that's about $3M in total savings right there. The biggest problems were that none of the pre-UFA rosters I submitted were actually reflected in the index. Where are we supposed to be sending lines and league stuff these days - maybe I have the wrong address or something?
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Post by B-Hawks on Sept 2, 2010 11:16:33 GMT -5
I'm only over the cap on the finances page because my rosters aren't set (waiting for them to add Regehr's new contract). I can easily put together a 20-man roster under the cap. I don't plan on rolling 5 goalies on my pro roster, trust me Yeah, I saw you have five goalies on the roster but, from my understanding, guys like Theodore and Hedberg couldn't be sent to the farm since you just signed them and they make more than 750k. I'm not too clear on the new rules for UFA since I pretty much stayed clear of all free agents this year. But, if that's the case, wouldn't you still be above the cap with the Regehr signing? Anyways, it was just something I noticed and wanted to get clarification on. They can be sent to the farm.. the 750k rule was just in regards to counting contracts against the cap when we look at offers that were out there.. The same rules as always apply for players going down.. make less than 1.5 million and, if they are under 23, played at least 5 games in the AHL. I tried to get an update done last night but only got about halfway through.. hopefully finish tonight
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Post by leon on Sept 2, 2010 13:43:39 GMT -5
"Teams may NOT exceed the cap when bidding on players"
My interpretation of that rule still has me believe that you can MATCH RFA offers that put you over the cap.... You just can't BID on players that put you over the cap (such as actually making RFA and UFA bids).
There is a big difference between making a FA bid on a player and matching the RFA offer on a player (you have some rights to this player)....
Please clarify this for me because I'm new to this league, and Atlanta's understanding of this rule is definitely contradictory to mine....
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Post by Rubber_Duck on Sept 2, 2010 17:04:42 GMT -5
That's the way it's always been here and, I'm not sure if you've been following closely during this UFA period but Gareth was updating all the teams payroll situations the entire time. I should clarify, I only did it once and I went by the index.... however, some teams had sent in rosters that were not updated so although they may have gone over the cap, it was arguably not a fair reflection on the team's true financial situation.... I think what needs to be done for next year is one of two things.... either a) Have a constant update on the index every day (preferably twice a day) or b) each team posts their twenty man roster and keeps track of their financial situation on the forum
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Post by KingsGM on Sept 2, 2010 17:43:58 GMT -5
I think Option B would work perfectly. Post your 20-man roster and how much it leaves you to play with, then its just simple math by the FA-nazis as we go through. The commishes have enough to do during FA, let's not burden them with constant index updating.
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Post by Rubber_Duck on Sept 2, 2010 19:05:38 GMT -5
I would also add the stipulation you wouldn't be able to bid on UFA or RFAs until that 20 man roster is published
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