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Post by habsgm on Sept 13, 2006 6:52:44 GMT -5
Supposedly this is a reaction to Primeau's early retirement. and the resulting deficit down the middle in Philadelphia. However, and please correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't Forsberg, Umberger, Carter, Richards and Nedved? It could be a little early to give up on Kesler. Although it looks like Clarke is prepared to overpay him in order to bring him into the fold. www.cbc.ca/story/sports/national/2006/09/12/nhl-flyers-primeau-retiring.html
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Post by Vancouver Canucks on Sept 13, 2006 9:10:29 GMT -5
From what i am hearing is that Vancouver is supposed to match the offer which would mean Kesler will remain on the Canucks roster, Plus if they do they cannot trade him until after the season is over.
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Post by Nashville Predators on Sept 13, 2006 11:12:34 GMT -5
In the light of Trevor Linden resigning in Vancouver at a reduced rate ($600k) for a meager year offensively last year... in order to help the team out in this new cap world. I think Kesler can go fuck himself. He's been demanding too much money from the get go and now has put his team in a financial bind due to the overzealousness of another GM. Way to go Kes. You've just lost a fan and supporter. Keep your head up...
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Post by KingsGM on Sept 13, 2006 11:26:29 GMT -5
Vancouver fans think the sun shines out of Kesler's hard-working ass until he asks to compensated for it.
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Post by Nashville Predators on Sept 13, 2006 12:00:03 GMT -5
Vancouver fans think the sun shines out of Kesler's hard-working ass until he asks to be compensated for it. Well then Bryce and I look forward to our negotiations this season when we try to get Kesler some kind of raise on his $350,000 you are currently under paying him. Cheers. ;D
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Post by STLGM on Sept 13, 2006 12:09:15 GMT -5
Vancouver fans think the sun shines out of Kesler's hard-working ass until he asks to compensated for it. and you think 1.9mil is fair compensation for working hard, by all reports the Canucks and Kesler were close to an agreement that would pay him 900K this year and a 1mil next year, and to me that sounds like fair compensation for someone who recorded 23 pts and was only a +1. 1.9million for one year doesn't exactly sound fair to me and imagine what this does to future salaries I can hear it already "Hey if that kid got 1.9 for 23pts and working hard I deserve at least the same not some paltry 900K". Clarke is an ass and Kesler is a greedy little prick, who obviously doesn't appreciate what is best for the team to succeed unlike a guy like Linden who takes a pay cut for the team! I also gurantee I'm going to be on Kesler's case every home game this year and if he doesn't produce he will hear about it not only from me but from all the die-hard Canuck fans out there. If you ever listened to the Canucks post game show and how much the fans loved to get on Bertuzzi for not producing it will be nothing compared to what Kesler will have to face!
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Post by KingsGM on Sept 13, 2006 12:15:54 GMT -5
Yes how dare Kesler be so good as to be offered an offer sheet by Clarke! The nerve!
Seriously though - if the Canucks had just paid the guy $900K or whatever he was after they wouldn't now be forced to pay him $1.9M or lose him. By trying to squeeze him, they shot themselves in the foot. I don't blame Kesler at all for holding out for a fair salary and I certainly don't blame him for smiling ear to ear over the $1.9M golden egg laid in his lap.
It's not about doing what's best for the team. Linden took a pay cut because he's old and that's his value now - if that even. He's also made his millions already, so it's easy to play the team card. Kesler is trying to get a fair wage, just like everyone else.
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Post by STLGM on Sept 13, 2006 12:23:19 GMT -5
The Canucks were going to pay Kesler the 900K-1mil he was asking for hell it wouldn't of even of bothered me if he took the offer sheet and tried to get another 250K out of it, but what Kesler did hurt the Canucks chances at icing an improved team.
Do you think Kesler is worth 1.9million?
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Post by Rubber_Duck on Sept 13, 2006 13:29:48 GMT -5
anyone notice that Clarke did this AFTER he signed Gagne to a 5 year deal? probably didn't want anyone poaching his talent before he went after someone else's
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Post by edmontongm on Sept 13, 2006 13:54:31 GMT -5
It's fair negotiation. For those that have ever talked serious hockey with me, you know I hate Bob Clarke with a passion (as a player, manager and as a person). However, he is playing by the rules. Regardless of whether or not he needs the player, he can sign the player (hence FREE agency). Personally, I don't think he needs to justify his actions. Vancouver needs 2 players and only has 3 million in cap space (or there abouts) to do it. Philadelphia had the cap space and availability to make such a signing. It's shrewd business. But look at our free agent negotiations this year. GM's step in (be it, fairly, unfairly or without cause altogether) and make an offer. There isn't anything that prevents that as it's within the rules to do so. If the team can afford the player, all the power to them.
I don't personally think that Kesler is trying to get a fair wage at 1.9 million (market value dictates between 700k and a million)...but it's a tactical decision on Philadelphia's part. Will agents use it in the future? For sure. I don't believe this is going to drive up salaries on marginal players. Why? Market won't dictate it. Not every 3rd/4th liner is going to be offered 1.9 million. Nor can it be afforded under the cap system.
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Post by KingsGM on Sept 13, 2006 15:15:20 GMT -5
The Canucks were going to pay Kesler the 900K-1mil he was asking for hell it wouldn't of even of bothered me if he took the offer sheet and tried to get another 250K out of it, but what Kesler did hurt the Canucks chances at icing an improved team. Do you think Kesler is worth 1.9million? So you are telling me that if you were asking for a raise from your boss and someone came in and basically guaranteed that you would get almost double what you were asking for you'd turn it down for the sake of the company? Kesler has been handed a truckload of cash without even having to ask for it from an employer who is clearly sees him as an important player. Taking the offer isn't greed, its common sense. Whether he's worth it or not is an issue to take up with Bob Clarke.
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Post by Nashville Predators on Sept 13, 2006 15:31:44 GMT -5
Imagine being at a new workplace where your employer grossly overpays you but gives chump change to your fellow coworkers. Have fun making friends... I wonder how this will effect guys like Cooke who IMO bring more to the table but get paid less after holding out last season.
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Post by Jackets on Sept 13, 2006 15:40:28 GMT -5
You become a jerk to get ahead, but after doing all these things Clarke still hasn't bring a cup to Philly. Clarke already got what he deserved.
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Post by KingsGM on Sept 13, 2006 15:49:59 GMT -5
Imagine being at a new workplace where your employer grossly overpays you but gives chump change to your fellow coworkers. Have fun making friends... I wonder how this will effect guys like Cooke who IMO bring more to the table but get paid less after holding out last season. I would sell-out and piss off every friend I have in the world for $1.9M. No question.
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Post by FincanSJGM on Sept 13, 2006 17:38:55 GMT -5
Imagine being at a new workplace where your employer grossly overpays you but gives chump change to your fellow coworkers. Have fun making friends... I wonder how this will effect guys like Cooke who IMO bring more to the table but get paid less after holding out last season. Frends? Id wipe my tears with 100 dollar bills. I dont neccessarily respect the guy, but I sure cant blame him. If my enemy youth work agency (ha) offered me twice as much Id work for them thats for sure.
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Post by habsgm on Sept 13, 2006 20:12:07 GMT -5
It is, as Clint says, fair and Clarkie is playing within the rules, but with production numbers like Keslers there is no way he has earned that contract. Unless he is the second coming of Esa Tikkanen or a shutdown artist which he isn't just yet. I think Clarke has done two things wrong with this offer:
a) drives up the expected salaries of all 3rd line 20 point guys in the league and therefore inflated value of this type of player
b) sends a piss poor signal to some present Flyers, Gagne included. WTF took so gd long to get this Gagne deal done? I suspect the organization was trying to penny pinch their forty goal scorer and penultimate player and then they go blow an extra mil or so on a 10 goal man.
Contrarily, perhaps Clarke is a man of vision and sees Kesler as a 30 goal man down the road and is willing to take a chance. He sure is undermining the spirit of the new CBA though.
Bobby Clarke - what a gem: "If you're unhappy with the rules, complain to Gary Bettman. I didn't put the rule in."
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Post by habsgm on Sept 13, 2006 20:13:32 GMT -5
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Post by FincanSJGM on Jul 1, 2008 15:12:49 GMT -5
bump................I wonder if Canuck's fans opinions have changed at all
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Post by STLGM on Jul 14, 2008 20:48:14 GMT -5
Two years ago everyone was preaching about keeping salaries down, and this was the first offer sheet in how many years? A lot changes in two years, foolishly I thought we actually went through the lock out for a reason, and that GM's would actually try and sign players to reasonable contracts! Seems crazy that we lost a year and the salaries are climbing faster then ever. I hated the deal at that time and had ever right to IMO considering the circumstances. Obviously the situation changed and now considering the contracts that are out there this is a solid deal for a shut down center in this league, and signing players to offer sheets are much more common now.
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Post by REX LEAK - PHILLY on Jul 15, 2008 17:08:57 GMT -5
bump................I wonder if Canuck's fans opinions have changed at all Actually it was all Kevin Lowe's fault. He is Mr. Offer Sheet.
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